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If it matters ... it matters / Re: Reasons against AI
Last post by Friedland -
Quote from: Nena – on
Or, in extremely short:

It's slavery!

Unfortunately, slavery is considered ok by those profiting from it - as long as it happens far far away from themselves.
Like, in another (third world) country ...
So yes - it does still exists.

Much of the wealth of "developed" countiries builds on humans working and living under appaling conditions.
But not in the same country as the rich people, of course not.
But in another country where they can't say no to earning even an almost non-existing salory.
The very basics of most prosperous economies builds on the fact that someone lose when someone else wins.
So the trick is to be on the side that wins.
Every time !

I dare say that many (if not most) of the "Fortune 500"-companies are reluctant to an in-depth scruteny of their business models ...

And AI is business.
Big business !

- John -
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If it matters ... it matters / Re: Reasons against AI
Last post by Nena -
Or, in extremely short:

It's slavery!


Btw. it makes me wonder (and am happy about it) that my post is still in the forum at rosity.
Only 18 views, but 1 answered, that is 1 more than I was even hoping for.
One, who for sure will share this other places.

As long as we can wake up the masses, one by one, it's a little victory.
I haven't checked it by now, but I was told that youtube made a stop to the masses of these awful created ai videos.
Now the next to stop is every video, spoken with ai.

On the long run, we will win!
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If it matters ... it matters / Re: Reasons against AI
Last post by Friedland -
... and in this context, lets not forget this:

AI and LLMs (Large Language Models) are trained on data that has to come from somewhere, right ?
So where does this data come from ?
From data workers in countries like Kenya !

This is something the big AI companies are very unwilling to admit.
There are hordes of "data workers", analysing images and texts being feed into Chatbots and LLMs.
There are around 150 to 430 million of "data workers", which is the equvivalent of the eintire population of the EU.

Most of them are located in "third world countries" (as per usual) and these "data workers" are crusial for keeping the AI-systems running.
A "data worker" in Kenya earns shy of $ 2.00 an hour and work days can be as long as 18 hours.

They have to sign an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement), so they can not talk to anybody about the work they do.
And social security, like mental health care - forget it !
All policies are there to protect the Ai companies.

So what is this if not colonialism ?
Albeith in a modern times digital disguise, but still raw and old fashioned colonialism.
The usual exploitation of humans in a weak economic position.

All this so that Jensen Huang can do his prancing around on stage while talking nonsense about AI and Wall Street can keep trading the AI companies for sums of money you just can't fathom.

Because what is an LLM ?
In its essence it's a word guessing machine that makes its guessing based on probabilities.
A stochastic parrot !

If we compare the "evolution" of AI to breading horses, it's like breading horses to make them faster and faster and finally - lo and behold - birth is given to a locomotive.
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

So the only thing that's left is money.
And that's the bottom line.
Money !

- John -

// Just for fun, do a Google search on Prolific and Amazon Mechanical Turk //
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If it matters ... it matters / Reasons against AI
Last post by Nena -
Do you need reasons in a discussion with a pro AI idiot?

I posted this at renderosity, but am afraid, it won't last long and will be deleted soon.
We all know, how this page is ruled.
But if you feel stuck and need a reason in a discussion, feel free to use this:

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AI's resource demands are substantial and growing rapidly, driven by the energy-intensive nature of training and running large models in data centers.

Electricity: AI servers consume vast amounts of electricity—300 terawatt-hours (TWh) annually by 2028 in the U.S., enough to power over 28 million households.  This represents a threefold increase from 2023 levels, with AI-specific electricity use projected to grow 150-fold from 2017 to 2028.  A single large AI data center can use as much power as 100,000 homes.

Water: Cooling AI servers is extremely water-intensive. The U.S. could require up to 720 billion gallons of water annually just for cooling by 2028—equivalent to the annual indoor water needs of 18.5 million households.  This includes 1.3 to 2.4 gallons of water per kWh of energy used for cooling.  Some data centers, like those in Phoenix, use about 385 million gallons per year for cooling alone, not including water used to generate electricity.

Other Resources:

Cooling systems rely on fresh, treated water to prevent bacterial growth and blockages; Google-owned centers discharge only 20% of withdrawn water, with the rest lost to evaporation.
Supply chains for AI hardware (e.g., GPUs, microchips) require 8–10 liters of water per chip for manufacturing.
Fossil fuel-powered electricity amplifies water use and carbon emissions, as thermoelectric power plants consume significant water for cooling.
Land and minerals: Data centers require large land areas and rely on rare earth elements and metals, often mined unsustainably.
Key Insight: While a single ChatGPT query uses only ~0.32 milliliters of water (about 1/15th of a teaspoon), the cumulative impact across billions of queries is immense.  The environmental cost is especially high in water-stressed regions like Arizona and the Southwest, where data centers compete with agriculture and communities for limited water supplies.

Conclusion: AI’s resource footprint—especially electricity and water—is not negligible, and current growth trends threaten climate goals, water security, and energy infrastructure.
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If it matters ... it matters / Re: Ai Slop
Last post by Nena -
Well, it won't get any invitation from me  :))  and I will never allow any AI to take control here!

I wouldn't call it surveil, that gives the creepy touch of 1984. I say, AI has it's nosy nose in here, waiting for the invitation, that will never come  :))

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If it matters ... it matters / Re: Ai Slop
Last post by Nena -
Quote from: Friedland – on
So - what to do about it ?
A "positive" scenario is that AI takes over The Internet and we find is so distasteful that we go somewhere else.
One solution is that we start looking for more human-to-human connections,
One possibility is to form smaller groups where the participants can be certain that the people they are talking to are real humans.
In that way we could move away from an AI-driven Internet to a human-driven Internet

You could of course argue that this forum is a smaller group - and you woud be right. To a certain point.
But, the 5 page post before this is read 40.201 times as I write this.
So you tell me if it is read by 40.201 humans ..?

- John -

I really do like the idea of getting small groups together.
And it really pays of, that I still have my lexica books :)

Entshittification :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ

Yes, the AI bots love this forum, for what ever reason, but the amount crawling every piece of the forum is almost unreal.
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If it matters ... it matters / Re: High prices
Last post by Nena -
Even 50% is still too expensive for many items.
Things, that would have cost about 7 to 10 bucks on sale for 50% or 60% was something, people were able to buy.
Now with 50% or 60% down, one still has to pay 8 bucks and more.
That's suicide for a store!